#i hope im not derailing from the message but i thought it was a funny segue
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referencesformyartcollege · 2 years ago
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"They went to University... hard to believe they're all under 25”
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scrunching my face real hard rn
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melo-efcarist · 3 years ago
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c!dream rambling
// dsmp, rp, just rambling my thoughts ab c!dream, if i get anything wrong please tell me calmly thx
thinkin about how the disc finale was so ooc for c!dream, strategist-wise and just, in general.
first of all, c!tubbo. that's it, that's literally it. why'd he want to get rid of c!tubbo? if he actually did want to get rid of c!tubbo then why didn't he do it earlier before the disc dinale? to cut off c!tommy's attachment to him? he had so many chances to do that in exile, c!tommy even considered burning the compass, but c!dream stopped him. i think it's the fact that he realizes he needs c!tommy alive, and that burning the compass would make him more depressed.
second of all, him wanting c!tommy in the prison. like. why? just why? what good will that do to you then? and more specifically killing c!tubbo THEN putting c!tommy in prison? there is lava there, the prison is a hazard to anyone. he needs c!tommy alive, and he realizes that c!tommy might k-word himself (as we've seen from exile). cool, he has the revive book if c!tommy ever tries it, but still, exile. He definitely could've let c!tommy burn the compass, and used that then instead of keeping him alive. it would've been a safe place to use it, too. considering that no one visits him in exile.
thirdly, c!dream building an attachment vault to hold power over other members. like bro. the vault seems so rushed. all the attachments there were already in his possession to begin with, or just got recently. and the thing is he didn't even use the attachment vault when he could've! he could've threatened to kill mars and beckerson, right then and there, when the server was against him. also, the skeppy cage. mans had a whole prison ffs. i feel like it's just there for comedic effect (i found it funny back then and i was a c!dream anti back in february). but like he has so many other forms of power over the members that he doesn't *need* control of their attachments. he has the prison, the revive book, his pvp skills, his resources, and yet he still made an attachment vault?? could just be a result of his paranoia but idk still seems pretty sus to me.
fourth, the fact that he kept stalling. what was he doing?? he should've just captured them right then and there. he was going on for so long about his master plan. That is not like him to just lose his paranoia of c!tommy escaping or something. not to mention, "just messing" with them would not be something c!dream would do. he'd bring a fake disc for sure, but he definitely would've secured the kill right then and there. this 4th point isn't really as airtight as the other ones, bc you could just argue it as a means of narratice convention, but eh.
all in all, something was up with c!dream in the disc finale. not to say that he was lying the entire time, he was definitely speaking his mind on some things. him losing his attachments, etc etc. but he was definitely off during that fight.
it's why i believe in the "c!dream built the prison for himself" theory so much. from c!dream's pov, it would make sense for him to do so. he's testing to see if the server is actually better without it under his "care." though from c!tommy and c!tubbo's pov, it would be quite unsatisfying to see that c!dream actually meant for all that to happen, so im still not sure. but the blueprints though.
i reckon c!dream only planned to be in the prison for 2 months or so, then call in the favor from c!techno, and get out. but it backfired so much, some things he wanted in the prison weren't followed (i.e. starving the prisoner, not being able to roam in the halls, unused courtyard, etc). Also, the fact that c!quackity came in just made it 10x worse. c!techno came in late, got locked in, and yeah. his plan derailed so far from his original.
though it's because of these events that i think there's a possibility for him to have a redemption arc! redemption is all about healing, getting rid of band mindsets, and becoming better as a person. it's different from forgiveness(which is an act of sympathy and has some concepts of justice tied in). c!dream needed to be proven wrong about his unhealthy mindsets. attachments are NOT weaknesses, the server does NOT rest on his hands, and the ends do NOT justify the means. that's what c!dream needs to learn.
also, one of them might be proven wrong in the near future! the attachments one. c!techno views c!dream as his bestie, and c!dream got hope from being with c!techno. c!techno will break him out of prison, and give the homeless teletubby a home! also, also, the syndicate is filled with the most understanding people ever, and c!dream's goals align with c!ranboo's. they aren't opposing each other. c!phil, c!niki, c!techno, all of them believe that a person can have a second chance! (only reason c!ranboo thinks c!dream can't be redeemed rn is because "he's too deep down the rabbit hole")
ALSO ALSO ALSO, the message it would give if he DID have a redemption arc! it shows that anyone can heal!! and be better!!! that everyone can get out of the rabbit hole, no matter how deep!!! it would be a really, incredibly, heart-warming story. or idk that may just be my fluff-starved heart again. </3
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